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eric holder has left the building. the republican field of dreams converges on iowa. and any minute now, baltimore police are expected to give an update on tear probe into the death of freddie gray. but first, investigations are under way into the drone strike that killed at least three americans including one hostage. it's friday april 24th and this is "now." >> the u.s. doesn't always know who it's killing. >> the president and his administration are promising to peel back the layers of its controversial drone program. >> the hope is there may be some improvements to the policies and protocols. >> this is war at its toughest. >> you can't continue to operate and shoot at targets you think might be right. >> any time you attack from the air, there's a very good possibility of seeing collateral
damage. >> we need to get this drone policy right. >> we shouldn't just say this is part of the messiness of war. >> more comfortable allowing this drone war to go on basically to have this kill list. >> the office of the director of national intelligence, president obama mourned the loss of the two hostages killed in a u.s. drone strike earlier this year? >> we're going to reveal what happened. we can identify the lessons that can be learned and improvements and changes that can be made. we all bleed when we lose an american life. we all grieve when any innocent life is taken. we don't take this work lightly. >> while there are still far more questions than answers when it comes to the u.s. covert drone war, according to "the new
york times," this latest incident underscores howdy minutished and dispersed al qaeda's leaders are after years of american drone strikes. that have left core al qaeda a rump of its former self and pushed its leaders back into remote mountain regions. of this diminished al qaeda, one expert told the times, they have ways of surviving, and the guys who remain are good but can they get together to brainstorm attacks on the u.s.? i don't think there are too many meetings. joining me is michael steele director of amnesty international noreen shaw, chief political correspondent for politico magazine glen thrush and "the new york times" white house correspondent, peter baker. peter, let me start with you first. the president that we have seen for the last two days is a man who seems deeply profoundly affected by the deaths of these two hostages. i wonder we've asked the question about transparency before when it comes to drones. do you think this moment is
different for this white house? >> this is the first time that we're aware of in which he has given authority to attack what we think is the enemy and killed american hostages by mistake and it clearly did have an affect on him. i think we saw it again today when he went to the director of national intelligence for the speech he just gave and you referenced. he wanted something more exacting when we talk about issues with war and peace. the stand he set, which is a near certainty that there won't be civilian casualties. it's impossible to meet in modern war. >> i feel like the president has been perhaps defiant about the
counterterrorism issues he's had to pursue. we've seen him emboldened on a host of issues. i wonder if this is one area where you think he may pivot a little bit from the president he has been thus far. >> well it's a good question. he clearly as you said was affected. but it doesn't mean he's going to change the policy overall. we heard from josh ernest at the white house. they're going to try to find better ways of conducting strikes in the future. but it did not sound like what we're hearing was a broad overhaul in effect of the strategy. that we've got 21 months left in the obama presidency and he's fairly committed to this approach and i think he's going to try to perfect it as best he can and turn it over to the next president to do what he or she intends to do with it. >> what in this moment would you like to see from the white house, from the intelligence
community? >> i think we have to see an acknowledgement that the apology, the regret can't just be for u.s. citizens. it has to be for the thousands of people killed in this program. those civilians also need that kind of empathy and that kind of regret. >> part of the problem it seems is we don't really even know how many non-american civilians have been killed right? the total strikes we think is around 415. but civilians killed ranges in number from 423 to 960. children killed ranges from 172 to 207. smaller window. but there's not the recordkeeping around this. so when we talk about acknowledging -- i mean, just tracking the data i think would be the first step right? >> we put evidence before the obama administration about particular killings. a grandmother killed before the eyes of her grandkids. blasted to pieces standing in a field. when we put that evidence before the obama administration satellite imagery, documentation, we never got any kind of answer. your estimates are different from our estimates.
>> michael steele, politically, this is a really complicated issue. i think in some ways the complication is evidenced by the fact that there haven't been partisan reactions to this. >> and even someone like rand paul, who was a guy that liked to talk about drones a lot two years ago has been very very muted on this. >> i think in large measure, it's because the administration has kept in place a lot of what the bush team had in place before. except for with respect to the drones, they have augmented it. so the reality of it is the political side of this is -- it is muted because the direction you're going is the direction everyone on the hill feels comfortable with. as much as folks may complain about this or that aspect of the overall foreign policy the drone program has been affected but i think to noreen's point, the human casualty the casualty of the innocents is something that has to get accounted for.
this is a dirty business. this is not clean at all. the administration i think tried to as peter noted they wanted to do this the clean way. we didn't want to put troops on the ground. we don't want to get our hands in the mix. your hands are in the mix when your drone strikes and you don't know who it's striking. >> well and then there's the question of it's also clean insofar as it's much easier to dust them with drones than to actually bring them back and figure out what to do with them in the united states or in gitmo. >> to me the drone policy is a political policy fundamentally. it's a distillation or a throwing away of every other alternative. it's incredibly unpopular. we have no appetite for boots on the ground as the isis debate. congress doesn't want to discuss any authorization on this. much less talk about any alternatives that require direct involvement. the army for ash carter the new defense secretary, the army is
becoming a less important component, because there is a belief politically we're not going to do boots on the ground. a lot of resources are moving more towards the smaller teams, the drone program, and also the air force. so this is a policy that's really been shaped by the politics. >> peter, to the legacy that the president is leaving, do you think the general consensus in the white house is whatever we lead is basically what's going to remain intact for the next president, whether it's a republican or a democrat? >> look every president at this point in his administration tries to figure out how to leave behind a structure and a policy that can be sustained by the next president. because otherwise you're a one off. you want to change things in a way that endures past your presidency. that's what george w. bush did. michael steele mentioned that president obama kept a lot of what president bush left behind that's because in the last two years of his administration, president bush shaved off a lot of the more controversial edges of his policy in terms of surveillance and detention and
so forth. so that when president obama would come in the next president would come in there would be adjustments but it wouldn't be thrown out altogether. i think president obama would like to leave a democratic president or a republican president with a policy that they can embrace and take into the next four years. >> noreen, there has been the suggestion that perhaps a drone board should be established. because i think when we're talking about transparency, the president said this today. some decisions are going to remain classified. i think folks want to know that there has been some consideration of multiple viewpoints, and a drone board, as has been proposed would call for drone boards to hear cases when the government intends to target a u.s. citizen in particular. because this seems to be perhaps constitutionally the thorniest issue in term of these extra judicial killings. does that satisfy any requirements to your mind? >> i don't think we want to put people in the position of handing out death warrants. i think if the u.s. is going to use lethal force, it's got to do it in response to an imminent threat. those are the rules that apply across the board. what we don't want to have is
that drones get a special set of rules. what we do want to have is acknowledgement when drones are used just like if the u.s. military was at the helm. it just can't be that this is an exception. because of the idea that these are so precise. clearly they're not infallible. >> noreen, peter, thanks for your time. glen and michael hang with me. does the road to the white house pass through las vegas? republican presidential contenders are hot on the heels of sheldon addleson's billions. and later, eric holder says goodbye. that is ahead on "now." kellogg's® frosted mini-wheats®... 8 layers of wheat... and one that's sweet. for the adult and kid in all of us. (supergrass' "alright") plays throughout ♪ kellogg's frosted mini wheats® feed your inner kidult. ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence?
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it is the biggest weekend yet of the 2016 race as the republican field of dreams is summoned once more to iowa and big-time republican donors scout their draft picks. tomorrow's iowa faith and freedom coalition kick off is the latest cattle call for conservatives in the hawkeye state. these are all confirmed. basically, everybody except for jeb bush. governor bush will be in miami having a presumably paleo style lumplg with the lunch and reportedly hosting his own donor retreat. sheldon adelson is holding court as the host of a weekend vegas confab featuring ted cruz and rick perry as well as george w. bush. mitt romney will also be in las vegas, possibly warming up before his charity prizefight
against evander holyfield next month. i cannot believe that's happening. michael steele and glen thrush are back with me, and joining the panel is jess mcintosh. which is more important? i want to get to the evander holyfield-mitt romney match-up in a moment. but is it more important at this point for a republican nominee to be courting conservatives as in iowa or donors? >> they have to do them both at the same time. and that's really tough. because you're trying to cultivate this i care about the folks in iowa and i want to know what's the reality for your family. at the same time you have to prostrate yourself in front of this very strange little man who floated the candidacy of newt gingrich all by himself. i mean that's poor optics. >> and that is the thing about all of this. this prostration and ring
kissing. >> i thought you said prostate. >> which would be really unfortunate. and this family program on msnbc. i'll go to you, chairman steele. both sides are guilty of putting way too much money into politics. but particularly on the republican side because of the magnetism of sheldon adelson and the koch brothers. do we feel weird or bad about the fact that these guys have a disproportionate sway over the field? >> i don't. i'm not going this weekend. i'm hanging out with folks here in d.c. at the nerd prom. >> as the former chair of the rnc, do you think it has the power that it used to? >> no we lost that a while ago. >> and does that matter? >> it does matter. because i think those donations, those big donations should rightly flow to both political parties, and not separate third
party entities that are acting themselves as political parties. you've already heard jeb bush say that there's a prospect of his running his campaign through the superpac which is the next step of this whole thing. which means the campaign then has access to unlimited funds. so it becomes i think a real slippery slope. i don't begrudge anybody who's going to follow the dollar. i'm not going to begrudge them for having to go get the vote. to jess's point, they have to do both. but how they do it does matter. i think that's something we're going to look closely at over these next few months. >> and can you even have the contention that you're not going to do the bidding of a sheldon adelson if you make it to the white house? ted cruz makes comments about gay marriage to a group of iowa -- he makes different comments about gay marriage to different audiences, from donors to activists, and therein lies the rub. >> well, that is like politics 101.
politicians have been doing that since time began. but what's interesting -- >> which was a long time ago. >> exactly. but what's interesting here is we're not talking about entities, chairman steele. we're talking about people. we're talking about billionaires who now have an entire field of republicans they can choose. we can all be running for president, and each have a billionaire to ourselves who could finance our campaigns. >> well let's be clear. >> i was talking to a republican operative a few months ago, and i asked him, how can i judge which candidates are serious candidates? and he said follow the billionaires. if the candidate has a billionaire of his own they are serious. because they will have the money to make it all the way through the primary. >> and that's why we've got newt gingrich's candidacy. it is said that it is ludicrous to think that he and his brother
david are in politics for the bottom line. they are rather in it to increase well-being in society. >> i guess it depends on how you define well-being in society. >> or de-regulation. >> rubio seems to, at least in the beginning here to have outflanked jeb a little bit. >> i think rubio presents really well. one of the striking things about when rubio announced is he did mark lavin and steven's in the same -- >> which is like doing the double axle flip. >> you listen to him, this guy can really talk the talk. if he can talk to steve, i'm sure he can talk to sheldon. >> i guess i wonder if we can talk about the actual candidates, when you have marco rubio and you also have jeb bush -- well let's take marco rubio. the criticism that has been launched against this president, jess, has been that he is a
one-term senator that doesn't have a lot of experience, and that just seems like you're going to get down that same path, if you're talking about marco rubio as a serious contender. >> if that criticism had been genuine coming from the republicans about president obama, then maybe they would have themselves tied up in knots over turning around and saying no no it's okay for marco rubio. it wasn't genuine. they just needed something to attack this very charismatic candidate who democrats loved. but i actually agree with the kochs. with your comment here. i think it is more about ideology than it is about their bottom line. i don't think that sheldon adelson is bankrolling these guys. >> they think he's going to have unfettered access to policymaking. >> the question is what do they want to do with it? what do they want to change about america? >> sheldon adelson has access period. he doesn't have to stroke you 300,000 or 3 million or $3 billion check to get that.
because of his position his views, particularly with respect to israel which is respected within the party. he doesn't have to throw his money around that way. what he's doing, and what i think you see the kochs and others doing, i think you're absolutely right. this is as much ideological with respect to some of the things that they are pushing. >> but the kochs have invested a lot at the state level. >> so is it ideological for the billionaires on the left who are funding global warming, or is it just about their bottom line? >> i think it's vanity. what is the difference fundamentally between marco rubio and jeb bush on israel the bigger comments aside? i mean the field is very tight in terms of that. including rand paul all of a sudden. the same himymnal. and the role that he wants to
play of king maker. sheldon, you can't really differentiate ideologically between these guys, but he wants to be the guy that chris stevens is picking the winner. >> i just think we don't talk about what these guys want out of their candidates nearly enough. what is the agenda that they are trying to push? >> well with the kochs i feel like it's more explicit. i do have to ask, mitt romney -- yesterday? when was it. yesterday on hugh hewitt's show said i presume we might know for sure whether or not there was bribery if hillary clinton hadn't wiped out thousands of e-mails. as we talk about money, this seems like it's going to be something that has some legs. jonathan. >> what the e-mail part or "the new york times" part? >> the money part. >> see, you know mitt romney would have a point, and would be right if -- if the clinton
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yesterday, the former head of the cia was sentenced to two years probation and a $100,000 fine. but he avoided any jail time for providing classified information to paula broadwell. >> i apologize to those closest to me and to many others including those with whom i was privileged to serve in government and in the military over the years. >> petraeus's relatively weak punishment was immediately cited just hours ago by lawyers for former cia officer jeffrey sterling. prosecutors earlier in the week recommended a severe sentence of 19 to 24 years for sterling who was convicted of leaking inging classified information to "the new york times." okay, jess. so i thought it was fairly outrageous that david petraeus got off with effectively a wrist slap and now this decision seems to be really turning the justice department on its own head.
lawyers are citing it as of an example of hey, well if he got off with that our guy should get off with a similarly lenient sentence. >> i'm not a legal expert or a national security expert, but i've seen this scandal play out a number of times and ways and i have come to the conclusion that we need more women cia directors. >> yes right? >> we just seem to have zero percent of those kinds of scandals. and so i'll leave it up to the experts to figure out how to decide this one. but i'm interested in prevention. and i think that that might be a really key way -- >> female cia. >> key way of doing it. >> i was shocked, glen, that david petraeus -- i understand that there were clear political calculations in giving him the sentence if that's what you even want to call it. >> i will take the contrarian position. >> no women at the cia. >> no women at the cia! there's been a lot of second-guessing of the surge in
iraq and some questioning of the strategy there, but this guy was a very important figure in us getting that right and allowing obama to enact some of these policies particularly to really ramp down things in iraq and focus more on afghanistan. >> he's a very important player. >> he has been an enormously important player. in the larger context of things -- granted this was a bad thing that he did and clearly it was a felony. >> it's a felony. he lied to the fbi. >> but his contributions to the country -- >> but this is the law. and they're also throwing other people in jail for 20 years. >> but so we talk a lot about judicial discretion in terms of drug crimes. don't you think this guy is important? >> i guess i have a hard time distinguishing why jeffrey sterling should get 19 to 24 years in jail david petraeus gets nothing. david petraeus lied to the fbi and given his stature -- am i the lone crazy person that thinks that this is sort of unequal? >> at least on this side of the
desk yes. >> tell me why -- >> glen speaks for me on this. i mean i have to look at general petraeus's entire career. i can't remember exactly what and how much information he gave to paula broadwell. >> he gave classified diaries about what went on, which included the names of undercover agents. >> and that's really bad. but you look -- >> yes, that's really bad, period. >> chairman steele go on. >> i think this is a trifecta with the fellas, too. because i too -- >> don't want any female cia. >> no i'm all for that because i think you're right. the whole system would change. you could put a few over at the secret service, too. but i think at the end of the day, that's the bottom line. they looked at the man's record. this was a great man who undid
himself. i think that they took into context his contribution and the value that he brought to the country. and they may have looked at the difference between giving that kind of information to your paramour, versus giving -- >> a "new york times" reporter? >> who knew he was going to keep it under lock and key. >> but the nature of the information disclosed. >> well i feel like let's just get a female cia director and move on. >> i'm all for that. >> moving on an op-ed in "the new york times" argues it is time to end the supreme court's ban on cameras. now, chairman steele, i know you have thoughts about this. you think this is a good idea bad idea. >> keep the cameras out. >> keep them out? >> keep them out. you get a transcript. you get the audio within an hour or so of the court's
proceedings. what added value are you going to get by having the film the video? >> now, glen -- >> and the little drawings. >> beautiful sketches. >> "the new york times" basically makes a case that all of the justice's rulings up until this point actually would favor bringing cameras into the courtroom. so as a matter of jurisprudence, they should allow the court to be opened to cameras. i think as a citizen, given the things that the court is ruling on to the affordable care act, to gay marriage, this is the one-part branch of government where things are actually moving and the levers of power are shifting. it would be nice to see how these oral arguments go down and they're only half an hour each anyway. >> i'm with steele. i'm into pastels. >> and color-wise. >> what if you can keep the
pastels. >> i think the court, even though as you said its rulings would have it favor bringing cameras to the courtroom, the court is trying to save it from itself. the moment you put a camera in the courtroom, all hell will break loose. suddenly you're going to have people commenting on the way the justices look. >> they're wearing the same robes. >> no, no no. come on. >> facial expressions. >> on twitter and everything. >> and that pertains to -- >> one changed his robe when he knew he was going to be seen on tv. >> well? >> i think clarence thomas had the best argument for bringing cameras into the courtroom when he argued against it by saying it would harm their anonymity. i don't want them to be anom anonymous. he thinks that he has a modicum of privacy because there aren't
cameras there. >> you know what that is? that's speaking to the fact that exactly what jonathan just touched on. you're not a part of the ongoing current realtime public discussion. you're not going to be sitting there having people comment about how you're speaking and what you're saying realtime, and distorting or misinterpreting or misunderstanding what you're saying. >> but people are doing that analysis -- is tv bad for analysis? >> no, it's not bad for analysis. >> i'm just saying that happens anyway. i feel like people are parsing the justice's behavior the size they emanate, the looks they give. that's happening, the reporters who are in the courtroom. >> isn't that enough? >> maybe that's the point. i want to see it myself. >> i don't want to read it through the running of the interns. >> there is the gallery there. >> they like the pretty little pictures. do we have time to talk about jeb bush? we can. happier, more productive.
that's a radiohead song. "the new york times" reports that jeb bush being on the paleo diet has led him to lose 30 pounds since december. it is argued that jeb bush is going to get chubby again. he has lost weight because he is starving himself. >> why do i get that question? >> i knew that this was going to happen. >> you want me to drop and do 20 right now. >> yes, he will get chubby again. but maybe it isn't easy for him. maybe he tries as hard as he can. maybe when things get stressful, he'll go through white castle and order 20, 30 hamburgers. you think that's so bad? >> i'm sorry, glen. i'm going to rescind this question and go to commercial break because that's the only thing that's going to save me now. coming up who among us has not wished to pump lead into our computers? i will talk to the colorado man who took cyber justice into his own hands.
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announced his intention to step down as attorney general of the united states, eric holder gave his last address. >> when we celebrated robert kennedy's 50th anniversary of his swearing in in 2011 people said that was a golden age for the united states department of justice. well, i think 50 years from now, 50 years from now, maybe even sooner than that, people are going to look back at the work that you all did and say that this was another golden age. >> jonathan do you think people will say this is a golden age when you look at the polarization on an issue like race where eric holder has been particularly active. we are more polarized than we have been since -- i mean since the '90s. >> i would say yes, because it's a golden age if you're lesbian gay bisexual transgender. it's a golden age if you're african-american. because of all these things that have happened in the last two years, from trayvon martin all the way now to freddie gray
people in this country, african-americans in particular could feel confident that the justice department when called upon to do something would do something. was there. and so for both of my identities, i look to the justice department and in particular eric holder as a hero. this is the man who went to the president of the united states worked with the president of the united states to say, you know what? we shouldn't be defending the so-called defense of marriage act in the supreme court. it's unconstitutional. that's what eric holder did. >> can you imagine having gone through trayvon martin through today with an attorney general ashcroft? i mean, eric holder is going to be responsible for some of the most -- going to the lgbt rights, the most progressive legacy of president obama's presidency. that's going to be a thing that we remember. >> i would ask you, chairman steele, as jeff said he has
shepherded through a progressive era at the doj. for people who are not progressives -- >> when you ignore the law. >> come on. >> when you decide the law says the federal government should do x, and you say we're not doing that, sure you can get away with that. don't give me that face. so with respect to this idea of legacy, that's something that's going to be fought over over the next 50 years. >> you think he'll be seen as more polarizing? >> he's going to be seen as more polarizing in the short-term. in the longer term, it may work out to his ultimate benefit depending on how some of these other decisions that are still out there on gays and lesbians etc., fall down. but the reality is when you look at it from the perspective of those of us who take some issue with the holder administration i understand this move towards addressing a lot of these big issues. but you have to work within the construct that you took an oath to uphold. and when you go outside of that
the way this administration has, that has created a lot of the polarization and tension that you see. >> glen you've written extensively about eric holder and what he means to this president, what he means to this administration. loretta lynch is coming in. there's a lot of excitement about her. she has made a very interesting choice in this particular moment. eric holder visited minority communities in the wake of ferguson. she is meeting with police departments across the country, which seems to be a clear sort of signal to law enforcement that the doj has not forgotten about interfacing. >> loretta lynch apart from identity politics and civil rights was a career prosecutor in brooklyn. >> the best. >> and i first encountered her and she was a -- which is why the five-month delay on her appointment is sort of baffling to me, because this woman is a pretty straight ahead prosecutor. she has not made this first and foremost her legacy.
one quick thing on holder's legacy. i think if he had exited the stage right after the 2012 campaign, as some people really wanted him to -- >> i think colluding the family. >> he would have a vastly diminished legacy. and i think it would be more defined -- and i think if there was going to be one question. i disagree with the chairman on this one. i think the legacy that's really going to come into question is the lack of wall street prosecutions. he's got a lot of deals done in terms of recovering some money, but the fact that no single major player on wall street was convicted as a result of what a lot of people -- >> do you think loretta lynch -- i mean to what the chairman is contending, that the administration has found ways to sort of enact their legislative priorities their progressive policies via the doj, which is to say we're not going to defend doma for example. is loretta lynch going to be a steward in the same way that eric holder was? >> i think the administration vetted her. they have somewhat of an
understanding of where she stands on things. what's going to be interesting is how holder's legacy plays out in the primary. he has said flat-out that he thinks -- he and folks around him. i know in my piece this was a point that was made. he thinks race had a lot to do with the rough handle he got on the hill. it will be interesting to see how she is treated. >> they're already calling her lawless. that she has no -- i mean lawless is what ted cruz said about this woman, who is now our first african-american female attorney general. >> let me speak to that. you can't go there, given her history with the senate and the confirmations which she has sailed through in the past. >> unanimous. >> the one thing you cannot say about her is that she's lawless. just because she has taken the position that holder had on
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joining me now, lucas hinch. i know we have a short delay, so i will get right to it. what did the computer do to you, my friend? >> not a problem, you're very welcome. well essentially, it crashed. losing all the client nfgts that was stored upon the hard drive. i've been experiencing some trouble over the past few months, but most of the time i could rectify it. this particular evening i was going to prepare to print some shipping slips. i recently purchased a firearm. i unplugged all the peripheral devices. took it outside. and fired one shot. i said, what the heck i might as well try the other seven. so i did that as well. that moment set in i realized i did make a mistake. i did take precautions prior to doing so to make sure there was
no ricochets or anything like that. >> so you realized after you did it that that was probably a mistake to shoot your computer in an alley eight times, but did it feel good when you were doing it? >> yeah as i previously stated it felt glorious. it certainly did. no more problems from that pc. >> lucas, you own a homeopathic herb and tea store. the general thinking is that we would think they're pretty chill people. this seems like a pretty aggravated act. can you explain a little bit about just where you are at these days? >> oh, actually i partner in the business. i'm the other half of the whole business these days. but to elaborate further, we typically offer loose leaf tea, herbs and medicine spices things like that. we ship all over the country.
we're located in a place on the west side of colorado springs. and it's fairly calm. >> lucas, i wish you calmer days and better functioning machines, and no more blue screens of death. thank you for your time. thank you for telling your story. >> you're very welcome. thank you, guys. >> that is all for now. "the ed show" is coming your way next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." live from washington, d.c. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. let's get to work. >> tonight, protesters demand justice. >> it's an opportunity for us to do something publicly to say no more. >> it's a burden of violence on the police department. >> we have not arrived at this place overnight. >> they demand answers and so do i. >> later, drone strike